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May 16, 2024


Title: UMC is Still on a Downard Spiral
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Mark Tooley is the President of the Institute on Religion and Democracy and editor of the IRD’s foreign policy and national security journal, Providence. Today, Mark discusses the continued downward spiral of the United Methodist Church.

Click here to read Mark Tooley’s opinion piece on this topic.

Questions/Issues Discussed:


What is the driving demonic force splitting the United Methodist Church?

Has free sex without any boundary overtaken the United Methodist Church?

What led to the downfall of clergy within the United Methodist Church? Mark Tooley discusses the lack of accountability at seminary and other details about how clergy are selected for each individual church.

Did the recent UMC General Conference re-open the door for local congregations to disassociate with the United Methodist Church?

Is the United Methodist Church the only denomination that is imploding?

Can we all be excited about what God can do with those surrendered to His will? Mark believes that God is still working on America and has great plans head.

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October 30, 2023


Title: New UMC in WDC – It’s About Time!
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Mark Tooley has been the President of The Institute on Religion and Democracy since 2009. He has discussed the dissolvement of the United Methodist Church many times here on the What’s UP Radio Program. Today, Mark gives another update and encourages UMC members to stand firm in their faith.

Click here to read John Horvat’s letter to UMC members on this issue.

Click here for more information about United Methodist Action from the IRD.

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Should there be a Bible-believing Methodist church in the nation’s capital?

As of this December, how many churches will have exited the United Methodist Church?

Will many great cities lack any significant presence of traditional Methodism?

What denominations are booming in the WDC area?

Has methodism been reaching the over 5 million people who live in or around WDC?

Do many of the young professionals and others working in WDC attend events hosted by the Institute in Religion and Democracy?

Mark Tooley takes the rest of the interview to discuss their new church plant in the WDC area…

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August 18, 2023


Title: Methodist Split and Post-Denominational USA
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Mark Tooley has been the President of the Institute on Religion and Democracy since 2009. He has discussed the dissolvement of the United Methodist Church many times here on the What’s UP Radio Program. Today, Mark offers an update on the numbers of UMC congregations that have exited the church umbrella and what the future holds for the denomination.

Click here to read Mark Tooley’s op-ed on this topic.

Click here to help support the Institute on Religion and Democracy.

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Was the UMC once America’s largest denomination?

Is the UMC still in a free fall with the US?

How far have the membership numbers in the UMV dropped over the past 50 years?

What is the Global Methodist Church? Are churches that are exiting the UMC umbrella joining the GMC or choosing to stay non-denominational?

What are the two largest denominations currently in the US?

Should all denominations reach out to the Hispanic community to grow their church?

What is nondenominationalism? Do the majority on non-denominational church align with the Baptist creed/belief? What can other denominations learn from non-denomination churches?

Will Christianity survive in America?




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August 2, 2023


Title: Methodist Split and Post-Denominational USA
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Mark Tooley has been the President of the Institute on Religion and Democracy since 2009. He has discussed the dissolvement of the United Methodist Church many times here on the What’s UP Radio Program. Today, Mark offers an update on the numbers of UMC congregations that have exited the church umbrella and what the future holds for the denomination.

Click here to read Mark Tooley’s op-ed on this topic.

Click here to help support the Institute on Religion and Democracy.

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Was the UMC once America’s largest denomination?

Is the UMC still in a free fall with the US?

How far have the membership numbers in the UMV dropped over the past 50 years?

What is the Global Methodist Church? Are churches that are exiting the UMC umbrella joining the GMC or choosing to stay non-denominational?

What are the two largest denominations currently in the US?

Should all denominations reach out to the Hispanic community to grow their church?

What is nondenominationalism? Do the majority on non-denominational church align with the Baptist creed/belief? What can other denominations learn from non-denomination churches?

Will Christianity survive in America?




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March 31, 2023


Title: What is the Methodist Church Becoming?
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by John Lomperis
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org


Part 1 of 3

Leaders and members of the United Methodist Church have been in a heated battle for decades. The time has come for a complete split between the liberal and conservative members.

John Lomperis is the Director of UM Action, a publication of the Institute on Religion and Democracy. Today, John discusses reasons for the split and what churches can do to secure the future of their congregation before it’s too late.

Click here to read John Lomperis’ urgent letter on this matter.

Click here for even more information on the issue.

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Who owns the local United Methodist church property, including all assets within the church building?

Who appoints the pastor for each United Methodist church? Does the local congregation have a vote in who their pastor is?

There are only thirteen United Methodist Seminaries in the United States and only one can be considered “conservative”. Do the others waiver on sound Biblical doctrine, such as: the virgin birth, Jesus Christ as the only son of God, his resurrection, and even the inerrancy of scripture?

What are the social issues being discussed and debated? John discusses the two main issues of homosexuality and the ordination of non-celibate pastors, but reminds us: “It’s not just one sin; it’s any kind of sin.”



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Title: Part 2 of 3 - What is the Methodist Church Becoming?
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by John Lomperis
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Questions/Issues Discussed:

How many church congregations have joined the new Global United Methodist Church (GUMC)?

When must local congregations decide whether or not they want to leave the current UMC and join the GUMC? John stresses the urgency for local congregations to make a decision NOW as the deadline is mere months away. Click here to contact your conference representative for more information.

If a congregation chooses to move to the GUMC, what will it cost? Is financing available?

Click here for financial assistance from the Wesleyan Investment Foundation.

Click here for help from the Texas Methodist Foundation.




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Title: Part 3 of 3 - What is the Methodist Church Becoming?
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by John Lomperis
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Why is it so imperative that local UMC congregations make a decision NOW to join the Global United Methodist Church? John has admitted that he personally advocated for staying within the United Methodist Church, but now truly believes a change is necessary due to what he calls “professional church killers”.

How much has the UMC shrunk over the past 50 years?

In John’s opinion, which side is most intolerant of the other? John reveals that he and other delegates to the UMC were forced to listen to a two-hour long “reeducation session” concerning LGBTQ issues. Listen to find out what they said!

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January 5, 2023


Title: UPDATE: UMC Deadline is Looming
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Mark Tooley is the President of the Institute for Religion and Democracy. Today, he gives an update on the issues that are ripping the United Methodist denomination apart. He also urges congregations that have not made the decision to split to do so immediately!

Click here for more information about the Institute for Religion and Democracy.

Click here to support the IRD as they work to reaffirm the church’s biblical and historical teachings, strengthen and reform its role in public life, protect religious freedom, and renew democracy at home and abroad.

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Is the United Methodist Denomination splitting over its full affirmation of same-sex rites, affirming gay clergy, transgenderism, drag queens, and much more?

Why is the property of each individual church owned by the UMC denomination?

What is the deadline to exit the denomination with their property through a congregation vote? Mark explains the exit fee each congregation will be required to pay if they choose to leave the UMC umbrella and when the money is due.

Do many churches think their congregation can’t afford the exit fee? Mark urges churches to contact the Wesleyan Investment Foundation for help.

Why must churches make the decision to exit or stay by the end of 2023?

Have many congregations already voted to exit? This number may seem large, but Mark reveals that many congregants have already left the denomination since the pandemic seeking other church homes in their community.

What is Mark’s advice to independent churches who wish to leave the UMC umbrella?




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November 17, 2022


Title: Disturbing Details about the New Woke UMC
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Mark Tooley has been the President of the Institute on Religion and Democracy since 2009 and has been active in the United Methodist Church since 1988. Today, Mark discusses disturbing details about the liberal activism destroying his beloved denomination.

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Click here to read more from Mark Tooley.

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Recently, a drag queen led the children’s sermon at a United Methodist Church in St. Petersburg, Florida. How and why was this allowed to happen?

Did a newly elected UMC Female Bishop really state: “It is not important that we agree on who Christ is”?

Did a newly elected liberal leader state: “Upholding traditional Christian values on marriage and sex is a sickening ‘virus’ like Ebola”?

In recent jurisdictional conferences across America, were theological traditionalists prevented from becoming bishops? Are traditionalists being purged from leadership in the UMC in America?

Who controls the curriculum at UMC theological seminaries? Who chooses the head clergy for each church? How involved are church members?

Is the United Methodist Denomination splitting apart? Mark explains the process of leaving the current UMC stronghold…

Why have several large UMC congregations left the denomination? Have other churches split or have millions of members simply stopped attending?

What is Mark’s personal plan for the future? What does he predict for the church?



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September 9, 2022


Title: Death by Bologna Sandwich
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Recently, Reverend Stan Copeland of Lover’s Lane United Methodist Church in Dallas, Texas, had a dream. To him, the dream was wonderful. To others, specifically Mark Tooley, the dream was very disturbing.

Mark Tooley, the President of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, describes Rev. Copeland’s dream, which is ultimately about the breakup of the United Methodist Church.

Click here to read Mark Tooley’s op-ed in response to Rev. Copeland’s horrifying post.

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Why did Rev. Copeland dream that Mark Tooley died eating a bologna sandwich?

Does our society lack civility today?

Do Centrist and Progressive Clergy resent the presence of traditionalists in the church? Do they also resent their departure from the church? Or, do they want the traditionalists to abandon their beliefs?

After the split is finalized, how will financial support be distributed? Will the United Methodist Church survive? Mark Tooley explains what will happen to each individual church, its members, staff/ministers, when and why this all began, and what the future holds.

Bottom Line: Do the Progressives/Centrists want the Traditionalists to abandon the teachings of traditional, Biblical marriage to keep the United Methodist Church together? Mark explains that the majority of the UMC members are Traditionalists, so there is little hope of a reconciliation.



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August 1, 2022


Title: Is the United Methodist Church in Trouble?
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by John Lomperis
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org


Part 1 of 3

John Lomperis is the Director of UM Action, a publication by the Institute on Religion and Democracy. Today, John discusses the extreme measures the United Methodist Church is taking to be “all inclusive” and how their “wokeness” is leading to a major split.

Click here for more information about this topic from UM Action.

Click here for more information about the Institute on Religion and Democracy.

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Why is the United Methodist Church about to split in two? Is the main disagreement over homosexual marriage?

What will each of the two main factions be called? John explains the differences between the new Global Methodist Church (this will be the traditional UMC) vs. United Methodist Church (this will be the “woke” UMC).

How are pastors of each local UMC congregation chosen?

Have the US United Methodist Seminaries become “woke”?



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Title: Part 2 of 3 - Is the United Methodist Church in Trouble?
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by John Lomperis
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Questions/Issues Discussed:

WWhat is Unitarian Universalism? Is this another reason the UMC is splitting? John explains that Unitarian Universalism is basically “a post-Christian religion without historic roots, denies the divinity of Jesus Christ, and is a belief in the universal salvation of all people with or without Christ.”

Do a majority of the UMC’s thirteen seminaries openly teach Unitarian Universalism?

Are the majority of UMC members split over the question of ordaining homosexual ministers?

Has this debate been going on for decades? John says: “People across the spectrum realize that we need to break up; it’s just a question of how.”




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Title: Part 3 of 3 - Is the United Methodist Church in Trouble?
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by John Lomperis
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Questions/Issues Discussed:

If a church votes to leave the current United Methodist denomination, who will then own the property? Will they be given the option to keep the property? John explains that time is definitely against those who want to leave.

Why should each current United Methodist Church member consider switching to the Global Methodist Church?



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September 13, 2021


Title: The Big Split Doesn’t Need to Wait
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

The Methodist Denomination is set to split late summer 2022. What are the reasons for the split?

Mark Tooley, the President of the IRD, has more details on the split. Please click here to read more on this topic from Mark.

Questions/Issues Discussed:

What are the reasons the UMC is splitting?

Is the expense for the Global General Conference wasted money? Mark Tooley says: “There is no reason for all of these hundreds of delegates to sit together for nine days to debate policies for a denomination that effectively will not exist any longer.” He also offers a much better solution…

What will the two new main UMC groups be? Will one be more Conservative and one more Liberal? Which one will more Americans churches join?

Is the fight over the church’s teaching on marriage and sexuality? Mark reveals some of the other reasons, which are quite shocking. Listen close!

Will each local church be allowed to vote on which new denomination they choose to join? What will happen to their church building and other financial concerns with the church? What happens if a church chooses NOT to join a specific group? What is the timeline for churches to keep their property?

Mark Tooley is very Conservative and does not agree with many of the “new” practices of the UMC. Will God bless and use a church that ordains homosexuals and allows marriages for homosexuals?



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March 16, 2021


Title: Will the Methodist Church Survive a Split?
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org


Part 1 of 3

The United Methodist Church in America is headed for a major split, with those leaving leaning toward extreme liberal ideals.

Mark Tooley, the President of the IRD, discusses just what is happening and how we can pray for their future. More information can be found here

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Is United Methodism the only major liberal American mainline Protestant denomination that has not weakened its sexuality teachings? But that is changing.

Too many United Methodists in the US desire to compromise the Christian teachings on traditional marriage and homosexual relationships. Have they been fighting this battle for over 50 years?

Who is leaving? Why? How will it work?

Within the Methodist denomination, do individual churches own their own property?

The conservative, traditionalist Methodist Church will be called the Global Methodist Church. Of the Global Methodist Church, how many will reside in the US? Will the Global Methodist Church have a hierarchy that is based in Africa? Will the Global Methodist Church uphold Biblical teachings on marriage and sexuality?



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Title: Part 2 of 3 - Will the Methodist Church Survive a Split?
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Ultra-liberal members are calling themselves the “Liberation Methodist Connexion”. What are they pledging to “fight”? Is this Biblical?

Will the United Methodist split accelerate the implosion of liberal mainline Protestantism in America?

Does Mark Tooley believe that the Methodist Church will eventually be split into THREE different factions?

Can each individual Methodist Church vote for which group to join? If they do not vote, which group will they automatically be part of? What happens to their debt?

How will the various colleges, universities, and seminaries be divided? Can they choose/vote which faction to belong to?




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Title: Part 3 of 3 - Will the Methodist Church Survive a Split?
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Other than the Southern Baptist Church, will the new Global Methodist Church become one of America’s largest conservative Protestant denominations?

What words of warning does Mark Tooley have for the Southern Baptist Church?

The majority of United Methodist members outside the US reside in Africa. Will they be a major force in spreading the conservative, traditional Global Methodist Church throughout the world?



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December 14, 2020


Title: The Liberation of Methodism
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

What’s UP with the Methodist Church? Are they falling apart at the seams?

Mark Tooley has been the President of the Institute on Religion and Democracy since 2009. He is an accomplished author and even worked for the CIA for eight years.

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Why is the United Methodist denomination headed towards a breakup into at least three separate and distinctly different bodies theologically?

One break-away group has already formed, the Liberation Methodist Connexion – LMX. What are their beliefs?

Has there been a 50-year battle over homosexuality in the Methodist Church?

Why is this new break-away group using an “x” in their name Liberation Methodist Connexion? Mark Tooley explains the historical “connection” for this…

How will many members of Centrist congregations across America react to drag queen eucharists, mandatory pronoun fluidity, and far-left political advocacy in worship and from the pulpit?

In general, are Biblically-sound churches in America of all denominations thriving? Or are people gravitating toward more liberal churches? If so, why?

Will a Biblically-sound strain of United Methodism emerge and survive with resemblance of the movement started by John Wesley?

Mark Tooley has chosen to stay in the Methodist Church to help fight for Biblical values. What is his prayer for the church?



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Title: The Liberation of Methodism
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by David Closson
with Family Research Council (www.FRC.org)

Do moral questions of today, such as the right to an abortion, same-sex marriage, or gender identity, have long held correct Biblical answers?

David Closson with the Family Research Council admonishes Christians to be on guard, discussing the dissolution of the Methodist Church in America.

David is the author of FRC’s Biblical Worldview Series.

Questions/Issues Discussed:

Is the United Methodist Church splitting into at least three new, separate denominations?

What is the Liberation Methodist Connexion?

How does the Liberation Methodist Connexion church view issues such as homosexuality, same-sex marriage, the ordination of clergy who identify as gay, and the sanctity of life? David reveals some of the disturbing information found on the Liberation Methodist Connexion churches website.

How can Christians from other denominations minister to those within the Methodist Church during this time?




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January 13, 2020


Title: Methodist Church Moves to Separation
Topic: Methodist Church Dissolving
Discussed by Mark Tooley
with Institute on Religion and Democracy www.theIRD.org

For years, individual congregations of the United Methodist Church have chosen to move to another denomination, specifically conservative churches. Mark Tooley, President of the Institute on Religion and Democracy, explains why…

Questions/Issues Discussed:

What is United Methodism? Are the majority of United Methodist churches overseas? If so, where?

Is every United Methodist church a standalone entity? Or are they all held in trust?

What is causing the rift between churches and/or conferences within United Methodism? Has there been any mediation to resolve these conflicts?

Since all Methodist Churches are part of a larger entity, what happens if a specific congregation decides to split in two?

Does Mark Tooley believe the United Methodist Church, as a whole, will split into two entities? If so, will this process be messy and tragic?

How could a split affect the Methodist Seminaries in America?

Why is Mark Tooley looking forward to participating in a Methodist revival?



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